. >> kathleen sebelius. many people see this as a business decision. should the president stick with somebody who has so far presided over what many thing has been a business failure in terms of the implementation of obama care. what do you think? >> well it's a huge list. i'm a friend of kathleen's, i'm a friend of her when she's in kathleen, speaking on behalf of the z-team, i like kathleen, i feel sorry for her and the position she's in. obviously, it's a huge screwup but it will get worked out. >> warren to the shutdown with the debt crisis. there's always been some crisis involving washington debt ceiling s, shutdowns. how do we try to bring an end to all of this and actually move forward for the benefit of the american economy and the american people? >> i think that both parties should declare the debt limit as a political weapon of mass destruction which can't be used. i mean, it is -- it is silly to have a country that has 237 years building up its reputation, and then have people threaten to tear i